Tag: employer

credit score, employers, Los Angeles Times

[10/1/2010.  See update.]

 From: Greg Fisher
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:17 AM
To: Robin Abcarian, national correspondent, Los Angeles Times
Cc: Deirdre Edgar, readers’ representative, Los Angeles Times
Subject: RE: credit score, employers, Los Angeles Times, presumptuousness

That is not why I am asking.  The question is this:  Where did you get that information? 

Further, if you can’t name a source for what you believed was a fact, then did you just make it up?  In other words, how did it happen?

The bigger question (not for you):  How did members of Congress, the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Department of the Treasury conclude that employers use credit scores, and what caused the nauseating media trend?

Citizens looking for jobs have enough to worry about, already.  They deserve an explanation. 

From: Abcarian, Robin
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:13 AM
To: ‘greg@creditscoring.com’
Subject: Re: credit score, employers, Los Angeles Times

Ah…I see why you are asking: the credit score vs the credit report. I’ll look into running a correction.

From: Abcarian, Robin
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:54 AM
To: ‘greg@creditscoring.com’
Subject: Re: credit score, employers, Los Angeles Times

It’s a fact that’s been reported on ad nauseum. 

From: Greg Fisher
To: Robin Abcarian, national correspondent, Los Angeles Times
Sent: Fri Sep 24 22:40:22 2010
Subject: credit score, employers, Los Angeles Times

You wrote, “That and his ruined credit score, which prospective employers often check.”

Who is your source regarding credit score use by employers?

credit score, employers, NBC, San Diego, KNSD NBC 7/39, round 2

See Round 1

From: Greg Fisher
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:44 PM
To: Bob Hansen, NBC Universal, NBC 7/39 News, San Diego
Cc: Greg Dawson, vice president, News, NBC 7/39, San Diego; tips@nbcsandiego.com; isee@nbcsandiego.com; newsletters@nbcsandiego.com; feedback@nbcsandiego.com; SoundDiego@nbcuni.com; knsd.feedback@nbcuni.com; Gillian M. Lusins, NBC Universal Law Department; Gary Sheffer, Vice President, Communications & Public Affairs, GE
Subject: RE: credit score, employers, NBC, San Diego, KNSD NBC 7/39 II, not so fast

Actually, that document states, “An employment report provides everything a standard credit report would provide. However it doesn’t include your credit score or date of birth.”

You are not the first to try to use that page to attempt to justify a comment about job screening and credit scores.  Your page still says, “That score can influence a landlord or a potential employer.”  When are you going to change it?

Did you broadcast that story on the public’s airwaves?

Do you know Matt Lauer?  What’s his email address?  I want his source, too.

CBS furthers employers & scores thing in myths segment

Things always happen in threes.

The three national consumer reporting agencies all state that they do not provide credit scores for employment screening.  And today, completing a 2010 sweep of the big three networks morning coffee klatches, CBS aired this:  “That score is the number one thing merchants look at, you know, employers look at.”

In the print version of the story, CBS business and economics correspondent Rebecca Jarvis has the chance to be more eloquent and to make the point clear, saying, “From your prospective employers to your prospective landlords, most companies will check your credit score in order to gauge their risk.”

Fate is cruel. Cross-promotiong like a good employee, on the air, the correspondent refers to MoneyWatch, a CBS web site. But a MoneyWatch article states the opposite of the information in yesterday’s broadcast. It says: “So for those of you who believe, suspect or insist that a bad credit score will cost you a job, take comfort: That simply is not true.”

Watch “The Early Show” host Harry Smith take it in while Jarvis does the deed:

And with that, The Tiffany Network earned a place in history, and in the next exciting video. 

The hilarious part:  The segment is titled, “Biggest Credit Card Myths Debunked.”

credit score, employers, NBC, San Diego, KNSD NBC 7/39

From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:21 PM
To: Bob Hansen, NBC Universal, NBC 7/39 News
Subject: credit score, employers, NBC, San Diego, KNSD NBC 7/39

You wrote, “That score can influence a landlord or a potential employer.”

Who is your source regarding credit score use by employers?

[UPDATE 9/20/2010]

From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:55 PM
To: Bob Hansen, NBC Universal, NBC 7/39 News, San Diego
Cc: Greg Dawson, vice president, News, NBC 7/39, San Diego; tips@nbcsandiego.com; isee@nbcsandiego.com; newsletters@nbcsandiego.com; feedback@nbcsandiego.com; SoundDiego@nbcuni.com; knsd.feedback@nbcuni.com; Gillian M. Lusins, NBC Universal Law Department
Subject: RE: credit score, employers, NBC, San Diego, KNSD NBC 7/39 II

Did you just make it up?

Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio  45409-0342
937-681-3224

credit scores, employers, Forum of Fargo-Moorhead

From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:21 PM
To: Matt Von Pinnon, editor, The Forum of Fargo-Moorhead
Cc: John Lamb. features writer, The Forum of Fargo-Moorhead; Robert Morast, features editor, The Forum of Fargo-Moorhead; Nicole Dewey, director of publicity, Henry Holt/Metropolitan Books; Ann Burnett, professor, Women and Gender Studies, North Dakota State University; Barbara Ehrenreich
Subject: RE: credit score, employers, the Forum of Fargo-Moorhead, clarification of balderdash you bought

Do you refuse to make a clarification?

What is your journalistic responsibility regarding clarifying accurate quotes of inaccurate or unsubstantiated statements?

Illinois governor: Employers use credit score

The national consumer reporting agencies all state that they do not provide credit scores for employment purposes.

In spite of that, as Governor Pat Quinn of Illinois signed a bill into law, he used the word “score” twice.  State Senator Don Harmon piled on.

 

 

Quinn (2:23):  “… will not allow employers to use credit score to decide whether or not somebody is going to get a job or somebody is going to get a promotion.”

Harmon (3:25) :  This bill strikes an appropriate balance.  It says, as a general principle, employers can’t use your credit history, your credit score, in determining whether or not to hire your or promote you.

Quinn (4:21):  “Unfortunately, some employers are using credit score of an individual person to decide whether someone gets hired, or someone gets retained on a job, or someone gets a promotion on that job.”

The new law, however, allows credit history use in the case of an “established bona fide occupational requirement.” 

The Chicago Tribune reported, “[Rep. Jack] Franks said a lobbyist working for TransUnion ‘duped him’ into replacing references to ‘credit history’ with ‘credit scores,’ which are not used in hiring.”

An official of Consumer reporting agency TransUnion testified in Oregon, “There’s no such thing as a credit score in employment.”  TransUnion is based in Chicago. 

At least, somebody is contolling the message in this messy state’s heady merry go round.  The governor’s press release does not include the word “score.”  But give him a break.  He didn’t run for the job.

NBC TODAY: Employers use credit scores

The consumer reporting agencies all state that they do not provide credit scores for employment screening.

However, last month on NBC, “TODAY” host Matt Lauer introduced a segment with this line:  “This morning on TODAY’S MONEY, five ways to improve your credit score. It impacts all areas of your life from getting loans to how much you pay for insurance, even whether or not you might get a job.”

The interviewee, “TODAY” financial editor Jean Chatzky, does not disagree with Lauer’s statement.

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Earlier this year on ABC‘s “Good Morning America,” George Stephanopoulos said that your credit score is the key to getting a good job.  CBS did the dubious deed three years ago.

WCBS says it again about credit scores and employers

The consumer reporting agencies all state that they do not provide credit scores for employment purposes.

In 2008, WCBS reported that employers use credit scores:

 

Now, in 2010, they do it again.  Real journalists make corrections.

See the headline using the word Now: “Employers Now Checking Credit Scores Of Applicants” (after they said the same thing two years ago).

AJC blogger counters her U.S. Senator

Speech-making, writing, blogging, stating and yakking adds up to much mush

Last week, the U.S. Senate passed its financial reform bill with an amendment regarding credit score use in employment.  Senator Udall from Colorado sold the idea by saying that employers use credit scores.  The problem with that is that the consumer reporting agencies say that they don’t even provide credit scores for employment purposes.

Udall has not replied to a request asking for substantiation.

Two weeks ago, as an Atlanta Journal-Constitution blogger profiled the Equifax consumer reporting agency CEO, the writer dropped the E-Bomb, referring to a “paranoia.”  Sh’yeah!  A self-fulfilling prophecy in the making.

The blogger has not replied to a request for substantiation.

But, redemption for ATL came in the personage of another AJC blogger.  She quotes her senator, then contradicts his statement.  Rana Cash writes:

“I believe it’s only fair to allow consumers access to their credit score when it is used against them to deny credit, require a higher interest rate on a loan or prevent an applicant from being hired for a job,” said Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga) in a statement. Employers often use credit reports, but do not have access to credit scores.

Ouch.  Ouch-O-Mondo-Matic!

The senator was asked by creditscoring.com to reply with substantiation.

Rag-tag army of dissenters

Cash is not alone.  John Ulzheimer, a New York Times blogger and no slouch in credit reporting and scoring said that there is “mountain of evidence that scores are generally not used by employers.”  He talks about the phenomenon on televison.  He had the last word on it– then had the last word on it.

Highly-intelligent and incisive Bankrate writer with exquisite taste in multimedia Leslie McFadden discovered the creditscoring.com video and wrote about the issue in “Credit score myth persists.”

In the Columbia Journalism Review, a reporter had an epiphany and, in a rare moment of leadership in the media, felt a sense of responsibility to his readers that caused him to– gasp– actually make a correction.

They are joined by ChoicePoint, the Privacy Rights ClearingHouse and CNN.

And finally, Lester Rosen, lawyer, author, speaker, expert witness and background screening company president– who knows a little about employment credit reports– keeps hammering away at the “urban myth.”

But, when you’re up against the Federal Reserve, with its access to congressional hearing rooms, it ain’t easy.

The Fed has not replied to a request for substantiation.