credit score, TIME: FICO suggests goodwill adjustment

For a while, the idea of the “goodwill adjustment” looked like it was dead.  It is a lie by a furnisher of information to consumer reporting agencies, and flies in the face of logic, ethics and, indeed, the law, which states

The banking system is dependent upon fair and accurate credit reporting. Inaccurate credit reports directly impair the efficiency of the banking system, and unfair credit reporting methods undermine the public confidence which is essential to the continued functioning of the banking system.

Regardless of that naive federal wish, Fair Isaac, the FICO score company leads the charge with regard to the practice touted by experts, disgruntled consumers and media.

According to TIME Moneyland, (myFICO.com consumer operations manager Barry) “Paperno says you can request a ‘pay for delete’ agreement or ‘good will[SIC] adjustment’: you pay everything off in full and they remove the black mark from your report.”

Previously, TIME made a correction to one of its articles, although you would not necessarily know it.

In a day of loss of trust in bond rating agencies, the credit report goodwill adjustment baloney is a similar confusing signal in the consumer segment.  Taking the notion to the logical extreme, the consumer could withhold the last payment of an installment agreement unless the creditor agrees to remove all of the account’s history of late payments.  And why not?  Even FICO (with the help of TIME) suggests it.

You had better get on the moneywagon, too; the competition (the unethical consumer) is getting ahead.

“We have met the enemy and he is us.” – Pogo

credit score, employers, Miller-McCune.com

From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 10:16 AM
To: Michael Todd, editor, Miller-McCune.com
Subject: credit score, employers, Miller-McCune.com

See this message and your response at https://blog.creditscoring.com/?p=2460, https://blog.creditscoring.com/?tag=miller-mccune and myth.

You published, “If you’re unemployed and you’re behind on some credit card bills or you have a bad mortgage, suddenly your credit score might be another barrier to finding a new job and getting back on your feet.”

Who is your source regarding credit score use by employers?


Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio  45409-0342

Much ado about A Whole Lotta Nothing

It’s high drama at high noon at American Public Media and the demure New York Times.

JohnUlzheimer.com takes on A.WholeLottaNothing.org later today on APM‘s Marketplace Money.  Pay close attention to another example of the type of report in question, and compare it to the one in part 2.

So, in “What’s hurting your FICO score,” if that is number three in order of impact, then what is number one?

Make some popcorn and listen in.

9/30 update:  http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/09/23/mm-are-credit-scores-fair/

credit score, employers, HubPages

From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:46 PM
To: Pia Chatterjee, public relations manager, HubPages
Subject: credit score, employers, HubPages

See this message and your response at https://blog.creditscoring.com/?p=2417.  

You published, “Being denied a job based on a credit score is not uncommon, especially if the position requires employees to handle customer personal information such as credit card numbers.”

Asked for your source, your writer said: “Wow. Are you actually getting feisty over this? Ask Carol Biaggi, she says it in the youtube video. My company does check.”

However, in the video, Ms. Biaggi says, merely, “Your credit can be the difference between getting or not getting that mortgage, car loan, credit card, or even that job you want as even employers are looking more and more at credit history.”

Your writer does not name her company.

The consumer reporting agencies do not provide credit scores for employment purposes.  Indeed, elsewhere, one of the people in the video on your page even calls it horribly false, and the myth of the decade.

What correction will you make?


Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio  45409-0342

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credit score, employers, promotions, Gannett, Detroit Free Press

From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:52 AM
To: Jennifer Dixon, staff writer, Detroit Free Press, Gannett
Subject: credit score, employers, Gannett, Detroit Free Press

See this message and your response at https://blog.creditscoring.com/?p=2393.

You wrote, “They will likely take a hit to their credit score, which can affect jobs because some employers check credit scores before hiring or promoting workers.

Who is your source regarding credit score use by employers?


Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com

PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio  45409-0342

McClatchy repeats credit score employers myth through multiple media outlets

[see the previous exchange, and another McClatchy writer’s honorable response to a similar dispute)

From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:24 PM
To: Claudia Buck, personal finance writer/columnist, Sacramento Bee, McClatchy Co.
Cc: Peter Tira, communications director, The McClatchy Company; Elaine Lintecum, treasurer, McClatchy Co.; Scott Lebar, senior editor, McClatchy Co., Sacramento Bee; Jerry Egan, deputy business editor, McClatchy Co., Sacramento Bee; Mary Lynne Vellinga, Sacramento Bee, McClatchy Co.; Cheryl Dell, publisher and president, Sacramento Bee, McClatchy Co.; George Le Masurier, publisher, The Olympian, McClatchy Co.; Mark Owings, president and publisher, Bellingham Herald, McClatchy Co.; Bruce G. Ray, president & publisher, The Tribune, McClatchy Co.; Rufus Friday, president and publisher, Lexington Herald-Leader, McClatchy Co.
Subject: RE: credit score, employers, McClatchy Co., Sacramento Bee, FICO claim III

The information you prepared is repeated on these pages:

http://www.theolympian.com/2011/07/25/1736898/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/07/25/2115361/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2011/07/25/1981488/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2011/07/25/1578870/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2011/07/25/1694742/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/07/25/1823496_loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/PFP-LOANREJECTION_5636804/PFP-LOANREJECTION_5636804/

http://www.tnj.com/personal-finance/loan-rejections-soon-come-explanation

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20110731/wire/110729669?p=3&tc=pg

http://www.lakewyliepilot.com/2011/07/25/1203490/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html

http://www.loansafe.org/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with-explanation

Are you there?

Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com

PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio  45409-0342

[previous exchange attached]

credit score, employers, American Public Media

Sometimes, it gets nasty.

In 2009, American Public Media responded regarding the notion of employers using credit scores.

Here is the last part of that exchange:

From: Judson, George
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:45 PM
To: greg@creditscoring.com
Subject: Marketplace

Mr. Fisher,

Regarding Janet Babin’s feature on FICO scores on Marketplace Money the weekend of April 17, we have confirmed that employers do not receive credit scores when they obtain credit reports for screening job applicants. We’ll correct this on Marketplace Money and in our archives at www.marketplace.org.

George Judson
Managing editor
Marketplace
[email address]
[telephone number]


From: creditscoring.com [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:17 AM
To: Judson, George; Babin, Janet; Robideau, Brad
Cc: Ira Rheingold, National Association of Consumer Advocates; Burt Flickinger, Strategic Resource Group; Steven Wagner, Experian; TessVigeland; Brad Anderson, Best Buy; ‘Andy Bessette’; Susan Boren, Spencer Stuart; ‘George Buckley’; Gordon Crawford; mail@kpcc; Patrick J. Denzer; Janet M. Dolan; Ian R. Friendly; Kling, Bill; Schmitt, Christina; news@unc.edu; wunc@wunc.org; info@naca.net; Ian Lyngklip; DeVonna Joy; Susan Henson, Experian; Jarrett Crowell
Subject: RE: credit score, employers VIII, exactly V

For the feature, who was your source for the information regarding credit score use by employers?

Who confirmed that employers do not receive credit scores?


From: Judson, George
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:46 PM
To: creditscoring.com
Subject: RE: credit score, employers VIII, exactly V

None of your business. Take your obsession elsewhere.


See the 7/25/11 message to APM.

credit score, employers, Minnesota Public Radio

From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:50 PM
To: Jessica Mador, reporter, Minnesota Public Radio
Subject: credit score, employers, Minnesota Public Radio

See this message and your reply at https://blog.creditscoring.com/?p=2343.

You reported, “Credit scores are often used as a factor to approve credit, insurance and some rental and employment opportunities.”

Who is your source regarding credit score use by employers?


Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio 45409-0342

Fox corrects, then repeats, credit score employers myth

In November, Adam Levin, chairman and co-founder of Credit.com and former director of the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs appeared on something from the Fox Business Network called FBN Live.  

Levin said, “Employers are not allowed–nor do they–look at credit scores; that’s an urban myth.” (37:00)

Interviewer Tracy Byrnes responds: “Wait! Can you say that again? So, in theory, your employer is not supposed to look at your score?”

Levin explains that credit reports for employment purposes do not even contain credit scores.

However, the title of the web page for the video is “Don’t Let Your Credit Score Hurt Your Job Hunt – We take a look at how a bad credit score could hurt your job prospects.”

And, last month, in a conversation about about money and human emotion, the Fox Business host had this exchange with an author and “CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™ professional” who has a “passion for helping people”* (1:45):

GUEST:  It’s a stressful time.

HOST: Well, especially because, now, you know, you go for a new job and your new employer’s looking at your credit score. 

GUEST: Yes!

HOST:  It’s everywhere.

GUEST:  Agh! 

HOST: Right?

GUEST: It’s true.  It’s true.

The web page for that video is titled, “Emotions Behind Our Financial Decisions – Financial advisor and author Karen Lee offers insight into understanding the emotions behind our financial decisions.”

But another unfortunate action brings the circus full-circle.  Even Credit.com states: “Your credit score is a determining factor in your mortgage and auto loan terms, credit card rates and insurance premiums. Some employers and landlords also take your score into consideration.”

*see all the clichés: “passion,” “helping people,” etc.