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From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:52 AM
To: Jennifer Dixon, staff writer, Detroit Free Press, Gannett
Subject: credit score, employers, Gannett, Detroit Free Press
See this message and your response at https://blog.creditscoring.com/?p=2393.
You wrote, “They will likely take a hit to their credit score, which can affect jobs because some employers check credit scores before hiring or promoting workers.
Who is your source regarding credit score use by employers?
—
Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio 45409-0342
First, Experian gets blasted by a U.S. senator and the FTC over its goofy FreeCreditReport.com ads.
Next, in a brilliant, original marketing strategy, Experian creates a whole new thing (with another band) at FreeCreditScore.com.
Then, on August 9, from its FreeCreditScore.com Twitter account, Experian tweets
http://mashable.com/2011/08/09/lin… to help get you closer to that job offer (the one that requires a background check complete with credit score!).
[direct link to the Tweet: http://twitter.com/#!/FCSdotcom/status/100998248868741120]
Meanwhile, John Peace, the guy in charge (who just passed the second anniversary of his resignation), is knighted.
Journalists, news organizations, bloggers (at least the ones with guts)–here’s your chance. Your question for Experian: What job offer requires a credit score?
Ask it, and then just step back and let the fun begin!
But wait, there’s more. And, even more. And more, still.
[see the previous exchange, and another McClatchy writer’s honorable response to a similar dispute)
From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:24 PM
To: Claudia Buck, personal finance writer/columnist, Sacramento Bee, McClatchy Co.
Cc: Peter Tira, communications director, The McClatchy Company; Elaine Lintecum, treasurer, McClatchy Co.; Scott Lebar, senior editor, McClatchy Co., Sacramento Bee; Jerry Egan, deputy business editor, McClatchy Co., Sacramento Bee; Mary Lynne Vellinga, Sacramento Bee, McClatchy Co.; Cheryl Dell, publisher and president, Sacramento Bee, McClatchy Co.; George Le Masurier, publisher, The Olympian, McClatchy Co.; Mark Owings, president and publisher, Bellingham Herald, McClatchy Co.; Bruce G. Ray, president & publisher, The Tribune, McClatchy Co.; Rufus Friday, president and publisher, Lexington Herald-Leader, McClatchy Co.
Subject: RE: credit score, employers, McClatchy Co., Sacramento Bee, FICO claim III
The information you prepared is repeated on these pages:
http://www.theolympian.com/2011/07/25/1736898/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/07/25/2115361/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2011/07/25/1981488/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2011/07/25/1578870/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2011/07/25/1694742/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/07/25/1823496_loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/PFP-LOANREJECTION_5636804/PFP-LOANREJECTION_5636804/
http://www.tnj.com/personal-finance/loan-rejections-soon-come-explanation
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20110731/wire/110729669?p=3&tc=pg
http://www.lakewyliepilot.com/2011/07/25/1203490/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with.html
http://www.loansafe.org/loan-rejections-soon-to-come-with-explanation
Are you there?
—
Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio 45409-0342
[previous exchange attached]
Sometimes, it gets nasty.
In 2009, American Public Media responded regarding the notion of employers using credit scores.
Here is the last part of that exchange:
From: Judson, George
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:45 PM
To: greg@creditscoring.com
Subject: Marketplace
Mr. Fisher,
Regarding Janet Babin’s feature on FICO scores on Marketplace Money the weekend of April 17, we have confirmed that employers do not receive credit scores when they obtain credit reports for screening job applicants. We’ll correct this on Marketplace Money and in our archives at www.marketplace.org.
George Judson
Managing editor
Marketplace
[email address]
[telephone number]
From: creditscoring.com [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:17 AM
To: Judson, George; Babin, Janet; Robideau, Brad
Cc: Ira Rheingold, National Association of Consumer Advocates; Burt Flickinger, Strategic Resource Group; Steven Wagner, Experian; TessVigeland; Brad Anderson, Best Buy; ‘Andy Bessette’; Susan Boren, Spencer Stuart; ‘George Buckley’; Gordon Crawford; mail@kpcc; Patrick J. Denzer; Janet M. Dolan; Ian R. Friendly; Kling, Bill; Schmitt, Christina; news@unc.edu; wunc@wunc.org; info@naca.net; Ian Lyngklip; DeVonna Joy; Susan Henson, Experian; Jarrett Crowell
Subject: RE: credit score, employers VIII, exactly V
For the feature, who was your source for the information regarding credit score use by employers?
Who confirmed that employers do not receive credit scores?
From: Judson, George
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:46 PM
To: creditscoring.com
Subject: RE: credit score, employers VIII, exactly V
None of your business. Take your obsession elsewhere.
From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:50 PM
To: Jessica Mador, reporter, Minnesota Public Radio
Subject: credit score, employers, Minnesota Public Radio
See this message and your reply at https://blog.creditscoring.com/?p=2343.
You reported, “Credit scores are often used as a factor to approve credit, insurance and some rental and employment opportunities.”
Who is your source regarding credit score use by employers?
—
Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio 45409-0342
In November, Adam Levin, chairman and co-founder of Credit.com and former director of the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs appeared on something from the Fox Business Network called FBN Live.
Levin said, “Employers are not allowed–nor do they–look at credit scores; that’s an urban myth.” (37:00)
Interviewer Tracy Byrnes responds: “Wait! Can you say that again? So, in theory, your employer is not supposed to look at your score?”
Levin explains that credit reports for employment purposes do not even contain credit scores.
However, the title of the web page for the video is “Don’t Let Your Credit Score Hurt Your Job Hunt – We take a look at how a bad credit score could hurt your job prospects.”
And, last month, in a conversation about about money and human emotion, the Fox Business host had this exchange with an author and “CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™ professional” who has a “passion for helping people”* (1:45):
GUEST: It’s a stressful time.
HOST: Well, especially because, now, you know, you go for a new job and your new employer’s looking at your credit score.
GUEST: Yes!
HOST: It’s everywhere.
GUEST: Agh!
HOST: Right?
GUEST: It’s true. It’s true.
The web page for that video is titled, “Emotions Behind Our Financial Decisions – Financial advisor and author Karen Lee offers insight into understanding the emotions behind our financial decisions.”
But another unfortunate action brings the circus full-circle. Even Credit.com states: “Your credit score is a determining factor in your mortgage and auto loan terms, credit card rates and insurance premiums. Some employers and landlords also take your score into consideration.”
*see all the clichés: “passion,” “helping people,” etc.
From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:43 PM
To: Heather Struck, reporter, Forbes; Heather Struck, reporter, Forbes
Subject: credit score, employers, Forbes, 2011-07-20
See this message and your response at https://blog.creditscoring.com/?p=2274, https://blog.creditscoring.com/?cat=134 and https://blog.creditscoring.com/?tag=forbes.
You wrote
But one’s creditworthiness, as reflected in a FICO score or a credit report, now affects a lot more than the ability to borrow money or buy something on credit. It can affect whether you get a job, what you pay for insurance, and even how your personal relationships work out.
and
Employment consultants say a troubling credit score may cause hiring officers to more closely question an applicant. Vic Tanon, chief simplicity officer at Emplicity, an organization that consults in hiring practices across the U.S., says a bad credit rating is likely to be more of a factor in certain industries like financial services.
Who is your source regarding credit score use by employers?
—
Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio 45409-0342
From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:12 PM
To: Claudia Buck, personal finance writer/columnist, Sacramento Bee, McClatchy Co.
Cc: Peter Tira, communications director, The McClatchy Company
Subject: credit score, employers, McClatchy Co., Sacramento Bee
See this message and your response at https://blog.creditscoring.com/?cat=134, https://blog.creditscoring.com/?p=2266, https://blog.creditscoring.com/?tag=mcclatchy, http://www.creditscoring.com/influence/media/newspapers/mcclatchy and [and also see] http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/07/04/563407/credit-score-crusader.html.
You wrote: “However, if you’re shopping for a single type of loan in a short period of time – say to finance a home or auto, those multiple credit inquiries are treated as a single request and won’t count against you. Same for an employer requesting your credit score for a job application.”
Who is your source regarding credit score use by employers?
—
Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio 45409-0342
UPDATE, 7/19/2011
From: Buck, Claudia – Sacramento
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:56 PM
To: ‘greg@creditscoring.com’
Cc: Tira, Peter – McClatchy Corporate
Subject: RE: credit score, employers, McClatchy Co., Sacramento Bee
Greg….Thanks for writing. The paragraph you’re referring to was based on my interview with Bradley Graham of FICO.com. He was referencing job applicants who give permission to an employer to pull their credit report or credit score. My understanding is that an employer can request a credit report automatically but if a job applicant gives permission, the employer can request a credit score, as well.
Does that clarify it?
Claudia
Claudia Buck
Assistant Business Editor
Sacramento Bee
email: [xxxx]
phone: [xxxx]
From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:03 PM
To: Claudia Buck, personal finance writer/columnist, Sacramento Bee, McClatchy Co.
Cc: Peter Tira, communications director, The McClatchy Company; Elaine Lintecum, treasurer, McClatchy Co.; Scott Lebar, senior editor, McClatchy Co., Sacramento Bee; John Ulzheimer, The Ulzheimer Group; Craig Watts, Fair Isaac
Subject: RE: credit score, employers, McClatchy Co., Sacramento Bee, FICO claim
It only clarifies who your source is and what he claims. The truth is another matter.
A Fair Isaac video stated: “In addition to credit decisions, your FICO credit score may be used to determine if a landlord will rent to you, or even if an employer will hire you. That’s right. That little three-digit number between three-hundred and eight-fifty impacts your financial life in a lot of ways.”
Asked for its source for that information, the company replied, “The mention you cited from the myFICO video clip was based on anecdotal information gleaned from public sources such as published articles.”
That means that the credit score company gets its information from the media, and gives it back to the media as the truth. You won’t find that video on Fair Isaac’s website any longer. However, more specific information is available.
For instance, one of your McClatchy colleagues resolved the conflicting information by contacting the consumer reporting industry trade association who told her that the consumer reporting agencies do not sell credit scores to companies for pre-employment screening. She made a correction. Recently, USA Today and the Baltimore Sun made a similar corrections.
Credit expert John Ulzheimer, who is quoted in your article, calls the notion the number one myth about credit scores (starts at 2:40).
Most importantly, however, the agencies, themselves, state that they do not sell credit scores to employers.
Will you make a correction?
—
Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio 45409-0342
From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:06 AM
To: Andrew Alexander, ombudsman, reader representative, Washington Post; Andrew Alexander, ombudsman, reader representative, Washington Post
Subject: credit score, employers, Washington Post
See this message and your response at https://blog.creditscoring.com/?p=2263.
You published, “A credit score can determine whether or not you get a job or what interest rate your auto loan will come with, for example.”
Who is your source regarding credit score use by employers?
—
Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio 45409-0342