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To: Howard Marks, billionaire

Your website states: “About 25.5% of consumers — or 43.4 million people — had credit scores below 600 in April, according to FICO Inc. Historically, only about 15% of consumers — or 25.5 million — have had scores below that level, FICO said.”

You are mistaken.

A trend illustrated by credit score company Fair Isaac (FICO) indicates this, from 2005 through 2011:

23.6 – 23.3 – 23.8 – 24.1 – 25.1 – 25.5 – 24.7

A June, 2011 report by an organization named Demos cites your article.

What is the name of the person at Fair Isaac who was the source for those statistics?  If you refer to written information, what are the names of those documents, and who provided them?

What is your corrections policy?

 

Editorial distribution

From: Greg Fisher [mailto:greg@creditscoring.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:33 AM
To: Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., publisher, New York Times
Subject: credit score, distribution, New York Times

See this message and your response at http://blog.creditscoring.com/?p=4723.

In an editorial, you published, “But the proportion of people with poor ratings — credit scores under 600 — has grown from about 15 percent in the years before the recession to about 25 percent in 2011.”

According to Fair Isaac, in its FICO 8 credit score model, from 2005 to 2011, the percentage of those under 600 was never lower than 23.

What is the name of the person who wrote that editorial?


Greg Fisher
The Credit Scoring Site
creditscoring.com
PO Box 342
Dayton, Ohio  45409-0342

Aaron, are you up to the task?

This is a big mess.

In the ridiculous, ubiquitous, growing, and out-of-control worldwide discussion about credit scores, some know what they are talking about, and some don’t.

And some should.  Employers are not permitted to check credit scores.  At least that’s what it says (verbatim) on Credit.com.

Well, eventually that’s what it said.

However, recently, riffing on a silly (and inaccurate) story in a fabulously New Yorky newspaper, the actual chairman and co-founder of Credit.com appeared on something called the Daily Ticker.  The Ticker is a video thing, and has a studio and everything (here’s your 15 minutes of fame, Yahoo!)!  The rambling host said, “So we know it can affect whether or not you can get a loan–clearly, your credit score–or, even, to get a job–now, possibly, whether or not you can get a date or a second date maybe–more importantly–or a partner, for that matter.”

Phew.

That disjointed blather starts at 50 seconds into the video.  In response, the interviewee was silent regarding the interviewer’s inaccurate setup.  The guest didn’t bother to set the confused host straight.

Guilt by association?  Abso-flippin-lutely.  And lest you think that this is unfair to the guest–the guy from Credit.com–here are his words (verbatim) in a piece preceding the video screed on Yahoo!:

Apparently, the new normal involves both sides of the dating equation coughing up credit score information heretofore considered sacrosanct except in economic transactions. It’s no longer about getting a job, buying a house, car, cell phone or insurance, nor is it about renting an apartment, or anything else — and it’s not personal. Wait, I guess it is… According to several interviews conducted by the Times, if you don’t have the right score, you may well be shown the door.

Credit scores, relatively speaking, have not been around very long.  The FICO score was first seen in 1989, but consumers were not given direct access until 2001.  Bank accounts, however, have been around a few decades longer, but there doesn’t seem to be any trend for swapping bank statements on dates.

What’s more important: Your qualifications to take on more debt or how much money you have?

But, stop the virtual press!  Not only is the interviewer the host of that little video show, he is the actual editor-in-chief of Yahoo! Finance! (!)  Hokey smokes!  Now we’re getting somewhere! (!)  If he can’t make a correction, who can?

If only he–He, as He sits atop of the great Mount Yahoo!–gets the word, we can start to make some progress.  The efficacy of a social media message is in question.  But–hold on.  Hold on a cotton-pickin’ New York Times minute.  Maybe there is something better.  Yahoo (!) is using (!) an ancient, long-forgotten medium of communication (!) called “email” (!).  At the bottom of the story, it says: “We’d love to hear from you! Send us an email [!] at thedailyticker@yahoo.com.”

Yes, please send them email.  They’d just love it.  And social media messaging doesn’t work.

Terrible, terrible, terrible!  What’s the world coming to?  “Twitter.”  “Yahoo!”  “Times.”  With names like that, how seriously can you take this grand discussion?  But, hang on.  Just.  Another. Dad-blasted minute.  Dude.  This is different.  Think about it in terms of top-level domains.  Credit.com owns the word credit.

If, by the time you read this, the video disappears, don’t worry.  That delicious piece of nonsense has earned a place in the next employers/credit score video coming to a screen near you.

Yahoo!

Powerful.

Blithering.

Non-responsive.

Inaccurate.

But, the myth is not their fault.

Groundhog Day, 2012: Wikipedia – Jimbo vs. Cookiehead

Groundhog Day, 2012: Wikipedia“ updates the previous year’s entry, Groundhog Day, 2011. 

In an exciting showdown, the guy most associated with Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales, has his contribution edited by a Wikipedian named Cookiehead.  Including “Jimbo,” himself, the rogue editor, the New York Times and the Connecticut legislature, 2012 documents the source of inaccurate information and how it is disseminated by a powerful, byzantine organization with a website.

 

CoreLogic FICO. Whoop-dee-doo.

There’s no hiding now,” warns the New York Times.

Oh, (Big) brother.  It’s another “new” score thingamajig.  Here are some other “new” ones to fear:

2000.  FICO NextGen
2003.  Experian - PLUS
2006.  VantageScore
2007.  FICO 8 (aka FICO 08)

And now, in 2011, the announcement of an exciting, bold, new CoreLogic FICO scoring solution! 

Whoop-dee-doo.

Much ado about A Whole Lotta Nothing

It’s high drama at high noon at American Public Media and the demure New York Times.

JohnUlzheimer.com takes on A.WholeLottaNothing.org later today on APM‘s Marketplace Money.  Pay close attention to another example of the type of report in question, and compare it to the one in part 2.

So, in “What’s hurting your FICO score,” if that is number three in order of impact, then what is number one?

Make some popcorn and listen in.

9/30 update:  http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/09/23/mm-are-credit-scores-fair/